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Third, Final Presidential Debate: Who Won?

The debates are now over - who do you think finished strongest?

 

Holding their third and final debate at Lynn University in Boca Raton, Florida Monday night, President Barack Obama and Governor Mitt Romney both took one last opportunity convince voters why they should support either candidate.

The topic of Monday night's debate focused on Foreign Policy. Tuesday morning, Patch will have flash survey results from Massachusetts political activists and leaders, both Republican and Democratic.

But now, with the third and final debate now over, what do you think? Who would you say 'won' this third presidential debate? Tell us in the comments sections below.

Related Topics: Governor Mitt Romney, President Barack Obama, Presidential Debate, and election 2012

Ethan Ridings

10:44 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012

Mit Obviously won. His polices came threw so much clearer and he had a big picture and a great agenda for the future.

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alba

10:49 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012

Mitt was nothing but the "me too" candidate. Obama won, clearly!!!!

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Matt K

10:51 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012

Obama spoke in specifics while Romney continued with vague generalities. Obama seemed much more knowledge about foreign affairs......Obama was the clear winner.

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Rick W

11:03 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012

Obama had a better performance and hit Romney hard on several points. His "fewer horses" comment was priceless. Romney looked like a little boy several times. Win goes to Obama tonight.

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joe yencho

11:16 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012

President after the first 15 mins looked presidential. Romney after first 15 mins looked like a finance guy with an opinion.

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Peter Hoogerzeil

11:20 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012

Obama looked angry and eager for a fight, because he knows he's losing. He may have landed more punches, but Romney was steady, knowledgeable and Presidential. Obama made a tactical error referencing the economy in many answers and it gave Romney the ability to hammer his dismal record over and over again.

Overall, Obama needed a knockout blow to stop Romney's momentum across the nation, and he did not get one. Therefore, Romney was the winner and will win the election convincingly.

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Ellen

1:13 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Romney looked like a deer in the headlights. He was clearly out of his element and knowledge level. If he alienated the Brits, imagine what he would do with the rest of the world. He knows nothing, offers no specifics in any area, and he kept a low profile and even lower knowledge level. He still thinks Russia is our greatest enemy....cold war throwback. Will he put a bomb shelter in the White House???

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alba

1:28 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Obama won. Romney (as usual) spouted obfuscations and was nothing more than a "me, too" candidate when it comes to foreign policy. I am certain that he knows that he is weak in foreign policy, just as he is weak in his mathematically improbable economic policy. Actually, Romney is simply ridiculous. He seems to believe that we, the electorate, are idiots, that we forget his own words..

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DAN DEVINE

3:51 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Hope OBAMA enjoys his retirement in January!

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Trot Nixon

5:58 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Romeny's only job in elected office was obviously here in Massachusetts. The guy is getting crushed in this state by 25 points...what does that say when you can't even win the one place you actually have leadership experience? The guy is a bigger flip flopper than John Kerry in '04...Obama WILL win a second term.

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Tisiphone

9:21 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

"The guy is getting crushed in this state by 25 points..."
And what do you expect in the state that Clinton referred to as his "ATM"?
Why are we always so out of whack with the rest of the country?

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Steve C

9:28 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

MA hasn't voted in a Republican president since Ronald Regan. This state, due to the electoral college, is insignificant in regards to a Presidential election. I will note that Romney one the Governorship here in MA, a historically Democratic state, and worked well with our Democratic congress. They may not have agreed but they were effective working together.

To answer your questions: "what does that say when you can't even win the one place you actually have leadership experience?"

It shows a willingness and drive to take on a daunting task and to win the election here in MA through a popular vote, which differs greatly from winning a state based on an electoral college vote. Romney implemented Mass health, a great success, combined our park services and saved this state millions of dollars not only while he was in office but for years to come.

President Obama and his master plan will not be good for MA. We are a high income/value state compared to the majority of the country. The benefits and programs being offered under Obama's plan are less then our own state offers us now. If we were to shrink the Federal Government and lower Federal Taxes we could shift the rate to a state level increase and benefit here in MA. Otherwise, we as a state, will continue to put in to the Fed more than we get back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_tax_revenue_by_state

For every $1 sent to the Fed MA receives $.82 in return. Still like the Democratic system?

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Steve C

9:38 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Now compare Republican States to Democrat run states. For every Dollar this states residents pay in Federal Taxes the amount reflected below is what the State receives in Federal Aid. MA essentially looses money to the Federal Government while other states benefit. Why would you want to invest a dollar and get back $.82? It does make sense and is a poor fiscal decision.

New Mexico $2.03 D
Mississippi $2.02 R
Alaska $1.84 R
Louisiana $1.78 R
West Va $1.76 R
N. Dakota $1.68 R
Alabama $1.53 R
S. Dakota $1.53 R
Kentucky $1.51 R
Virginia $1.51 D
Montana $1.47 R
Hawaii $1.44 D
Maine $1.41 D
Arkansas $1.41 R
Oklahoma $1.36 R
S. Carolina $1.35 R
Missouri $1.32 R
Maryland $1.30 D
Tennessee $1.27 R
Idaho $1.21 R
Arizona $1.19 R
Kansas $1.12 R
Wyoming $1.11 R
Iowa $1.10 D
Nebraska $1.10 R/D
Vermont $1.08 D
N. Carolina $1.08 D
Pennsylvania $1.07 D
Utah $1.07 R
Indiana $1.05 D
Ohio $1.05 D
Georgia $1.01 R
Rhode Island $1.00 D
Florida $.97 D
Texas $.94 R
Oregon $.93 D
Michigan $.92 D
Washington $.88 D
Wisconsin $.86 D
MA $.82 D
Colorado $.81 D
Delaware $.77 D
Illinois $.75 D
Minnesota $.72 D
NH $.71 D
CT $.69 D
Nevada $.65 D
New Jersey $.61 D

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Steve C

9:41 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Please excuse my poor grammar used in the posts below. Predictive type is not all it is cut out to be and it should in no way reflect on the point I am trying to make.

Emcee of Seekonk

7:46 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

What this debate determined is that Romney will be forever the gentleman and Obama will snipe and insult and be disrespectful and rude to the end. No matter. If you like insults and zingers, then Obama won. If inspiration is your thing, then Romney won. Quite frankly, I've grown tired of the debates that seem to bring out the worst in people... the crazy, incessant Biden laugh... the demeaning insults.

We can be better than this.

Romney 2012.

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Trot Nixon

8:25 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

So Emcee...was Romney rude and disrespectful when he did that during the first debate?

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Emcee of Seekonk

9:09 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

As I remember, Obama showed up unprepared to be challenged in any way. But, getting back to rude and disrespectful, what did Paul Ryan do to deserve the Biden treatment? It's apparently the way the game is played. However, in this final debate, I appreciated Romney taking the high road.

John bouchard

9:00 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

More of the same Obama making up facts as he goes along, I cannot understand how people cannot see through this synthetic liar, look at his administration policies and what they have done in the past four years. I certainly will not vote for a manipulator who will affect the future of my country and direct it towards a third world nation status. The question is who is this guy ??? What is his agenda ? We will soon find out who is behind the mask. But regardless unfortunately for some he has sold his bill of goods even though his performance reflects his inability to lead this great country in the future he does have the ability to be the pied piper of the blind sheeple.

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Trot Nixon

9:43 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

I'm pretty sure you need to get the popular vote in Mass to get the electoral numbers. If people think Mitt did such a great job like you people say, then he should be winning and he's not. And I am pretty sure the state elected a GOP Senator 2 years ago, so you can't tell me the State is whole heartedly blue.

John- Whats Romney's agenda? I mean he's flip flopped so much over the years you can't pin him on an issue...he was a moderate running for governor and now he is "Severely" conservative

And Emcee you are so dellusional...Romney was just as rude interrupting and disrecptful to Obama and because your guy got beat in debate 2 and couldn't gain ground in debate 3 Obama is the one who is mean and rude....c'mon dude get with it.

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Steve C

10:09 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

There is no Constitutional provision or Federal law that requires Electors to vote according to the results of the popular vote in their States. So no Trot they do not have to vote with the popular vote here in MA, yet.

"The current Electoral College system is confusing and causes presidential candidates to focus unduly on a handful of battleground states, supporters say. They also say that the popular vote winner has lost in four of the nation's 56 elections." From Boston.com

BELOW IS FOR FUTURE PURPOSES NOT 2012, its just a little info.

"Opponents say the current system works. They are concerned about a possible scenario where Candidate X wins nationally, but Candidate Y has won in Massachusetts. In that case, all of the state's 12 electoral votes would go to Candidate X, the candidate who was not supported by Massachusetts voters."

This is quite confusing as MA signed in to law that it would award its 12 electoral votes to the winner of the popular vote based on national voting (not state voting) results. Meaning that if a candidate wins the National Popular Vote, but not the MA popular vote, then that candidate wins MA. Deval Patrick signed this in to law in 2010.

This system has not made it through the process in time for this election but will be the future most likely starting in 2016.

Steve C

9:54 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Trot, I don't believe debate 2 or 3 had much of a winner, in regards to swaying voters. It has made for interesting media coverage but everything has become such a tug of war that we just need to get this election done before the country tears in half. I would have a hard time saying that Romney won the debate, but I don't believe he lost it either.

MA did elect Scott Brown but it is looking like a race for the ages here. My gut tells me we will be in recount mode for days, if not weeks, after the election. This is probably a more important vote to MA residents than the presidential race is. This state will loose bipartisan representation if Warren is elected and our state turns Blue from top to bottom.

John, I think we have seen that the candidates will say what they want and let fact checkers sort the rest out. With only 2 weeks to go this may just boil down to who can keep from saying anything to off the wall. Waiting to here what Trumps big announcement is tomorrow regarding President Obama.

Anyone watching the final presidential debate tonight?

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Darren Major

11:45 am on Friday, October 26, 2012

Steve, I really ask you to be honest....Romney agreed with President Obama on 95% of the issues - he did not have command of facts and he failed geographically. He was SUPER WRONG TRYING TO USURP CREDIT ON THE AUTO BAILOUT - basic debating rules even show the Pres was the winner - Brown ill be honest - I have a great amount of disdain for because of his duplicity and fact-proven lies -his record of votes and cow-tow to Wall Street is reprehensible - He must be defeated!
Trump announcement was a huge EPIC FAIL!

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Steve C

3:02 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012

Darren, Why is Romney agreeing with President Obama a bad thing? If the president is correct, factual, and accurate with his statements then agreeing is the best response. You don't debate a valid point with someone just because you are in different political parties.

I certainly don't think Romney won the 2nd or 3rd debate. He was wrong, in my opinion, with his stance on the bailout. Obama on the other hand threw around some great sounding information that can only be proved wrong with time. We will see 4 years from now how accurate the information was.

I will be voting for Romney because I feel he is the best choice of the two prime candidates. I have no confidence in President Obama and his smooth talking isn't enough to bring my vote over.

Richard W. Lunt

9:57 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Mitt Romney won this debate by being clear, concise and pointing out his foriegn policy vision. Obama flipflopped a few times, especially when he said that under his Presidency, Israel continues to be a friend of the United States. Clearly, this has not been the case with the Obama administration, throwing Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu under the bus for their stance against Iran. Mr. Romney also pointed out the bad foreign policy of the Obama administration of meeting with or having talks with Iran's Prime Minister who is nothing more than a thug who supports terrorism.

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Dennis Naughton

10:12 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

It was painful to watch Mitt Romney look and sound as though he was reading from a cheat sheet, trying vainly to seem as though he had a personal grasp of complex foreign policy issues. It was as though he thought he was on Jeopardy, not in a presidential debate. President Obama was quite a contrast to Romney--cool and able to range insightfully over the whole range of foreign policy issues. Don't take my word for it. Review the debate and watch for how many times Romney was forced to agree with the president.

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Steve C

10:22 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Dennis, Are candidates for President not allowed to agree with each other? That comment doesn't make any sense. Of course you are going to agree with someone on issues. They are both politicians, Americans, and running for President. They are not mortal enemies fighting for good and evil.

The fact that Mitt Romney can agree with the other party shows his willingness to work on a bipartisan level rather than just oppose the other side because the right and left can't agree with each other.

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Kirby

1:56 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

President Obama sure "ranged insightfully" (sic) with this gem:

"We have these things called aircraft carriers where planes land on them. We have these ships that go under water – nuclear submarines."

Pasquale Barletta

10:23 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

I guess my question is, would you consider a serial rapist to be an expert on love and sex? If not, then why would you consider a person who makes their living raping companies be considered a good business man? The MYTH of R. Money.

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Steve C

10:29 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Holy crap, this may be the most ignorant post I have seen, and there have been plenty of them on this site to compare to. You should be ashamed of yourself and possibly get some counseling.

There names are Barak Obama and Mitt Romney. Have none of you learned that using derogatory terms, insults, and slander only hinder your efforts to make your point. Have some respect as one of these guys are going to be the next President of the United States. They should have your support regardless of the outcome.

Sinclair

11:24 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

It's troubling to hear Romney claim that Russia is our greatest enemy while al-Qaeda, the Taliban, Hamas, Iran and North Korea stand out in the minds of the general public. Meanwhile, we've been sharing a space station and the forefront of space technology with Russia.

At times like this, it's scary to think of Romney as being president of this country.

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deb of see-attleboro

11:38 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

I couldn't get through it. I didn't think I could like Obama any less. Since I may just have to tolerate another four years of this love fest he has with himself, I bailed before half time.
Romney/Ryan 2012!!

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Janet Sroczynski

11:42 am on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Has the moving truck come to take "the empty chair" back to Chicago yet? 14 more days and then we vote!

Romney/Ryan 2012.

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DAN DEVINE

4:22 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

1/3 of the Country has already voted. . . ROMNEY/RYAN 2012

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Darren Major

11:46 am on Friday, October 26, 2012

PREPARE FOR DISAPPOINTMENT !

Tisiphone

12:01 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Sinclair commented: "It's troubling to hear Romney claim that Russia is our greatest enemy while al-Qaeda, the Taliban, Hamas, Iran and North Korea stand out in the minds of the general public.

Perhaps you recall WWII, some of us think of it as the signal event of the 20th century. Russia showed ample willingness to project power and "keep what it had gotten". They are rumbling about missing the old days and having a "strong man" again. When the "general public" knows, it is probably too late. The "general public" knew about al-Qaeda AFTER 9/11, a little late.

Why does anyone expect either candidate to be obliterated in one of these debates? It isn't as though either is a complete numbskull and hasn't spent a week preparing. It is simply better to watch them, consider the body language and the syntax. Right or wrong, does it look like he understands it?

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Sinclair

12:34 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

My comment is about the "general public" knowing more than presidential candidate Mitt Romney as to whom our greatest enemies are today. Ask the families of those who have fallen in defense our country who they are?

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Paul Lasiewski

12:45 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Asked about the effectiveness of his administration's Iran nuclear sanctions, Obama took a swipe directly at the former Massachusetts governor, saying "The fact is, while we were coordinating an international coalition to make sure these sanctions were effective, [Romney was] still invested in a Chinese state oil company that was doing business with the Iranian oil sector."
Obama was right, but according to a recent tally by Mother Jones, the president actually underestimated the scale of investment by Romney's trusts in the country the former Massachusetts governor has pledged to label "a currency manipulator" on his first day in office.

While Obama cited only one oil company, China National Offshore Oil Corporation, the Romneys' 2010 and 2011 tax returns show investments in at least 10 Chinese companies, a total investment of at least $391,800.

Among them were New Oriental Education and Technology, a company in which the Romneys' blind trusts invested nearly $60,000. New Oriental is famous for stealing copyrighted U.S. academic tests, and was fined hundreds of thousands of dollars by a
Chinese court for it.
How can anyone trust Romney who says one thing and does another, or just says something different depending on the situation.

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Darren Major

11:49 am on Friday, October 26, 2012

I posted about that - Obama doesn't control the IL State Pension he is a participant in......but Romney still is the "godfather of outsourcing" based on his earlier investments/actions to push this horrible practice forward

Steve C

12:51 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Paul, Do you mean how could he do something that was completely within the law and in the best interest of the business he was running? Sounds different when its put this way doesn't it? My assumption, and that is what it is, would be that Romney has first hand knowledge of the accusations he now makes about China and is ready to take action against it while serving this country and our interests.

He outsource because it was his duty as a CEO to ensure the highest possible profits for his company and shareholders. He utilized offshore investing to the same effect. All legal, all good business decisions, and all successful (overall). Sounds like a smart man and a good leader to me.

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Paul Lasiewski

12:59 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

What I don't like is his flip flop, investing in Chinese businesses and then condemning China. I invest in a Chinese business but I don't walk around putting China down.
Romney has been successful, I can't see how that carries over in the White House where diplomacy is important. Romney is not being diplomatic speaking of China, Russia, Spain, Greece and insulting England.

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Sinclair

1:54 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Steve C:

Maybe Cornelious Vanderbilt and John D. Rockefeller, Sr. should have run for president based on your logic.

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Steve C

4:17 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Sinclair, Which Cornelius Vanderbilt? The matriarch and industrialist? The man who built America's rail system, or the philanthropist that helped develop groups like the YMCA? Seems like a good group of guys to me. Maybe they should have ran for office.

"To help an inefficient, ill-located, unnecessary school is a waste...it is highly probable that enough money has been squandered on unwise educational projects to have built up a national system of higher education adequate to our needs, if the money had been properly directed to that end" Rockefeller. Apply this theory to one of Obama's brilliant spending plans and lets see how that works out. I may just coin the phrase "The Rockefeller test" and apply it to any idea that throwing vast amounts of money at something is the way to fix it.

deb of see-attleboro

1:23 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Remember this open mike misstep by Obama just this past March?

"This is my last election. After my re-election, I have more flexibility."

Isn't this an example of someone "who says one thing and does another, or just says something different depending on the situation."? I think you've just described Obama to a tee!

Oh. I know. Obama's positions "evolve". Romney is a flip flopper.
What a joke.

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deb of see-attleboro

1:26 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Sorry. This was suppose to be a reply to Paul L.

Emcee of Seekonk

2:20 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

'..."ranged insightfully"...'

LOL. With Romney's complacent smile, It was a moment of condescending meets condescending.

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Paul Lasiewski

2:31 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

deb, what Obama said was true, this IS his last election and he will have more flexibility with four more years to follow through with his agenda. he didn't say "This is my last election, but I'm going to run again in 2016". THAT would be flip flopping on his part. I give much credit to Romney for his business success. He is much like Donald Trump, both hard core businessmen. Unfortunately neither knows how to be diplomatic which would be a downfall as President. It is similar to a technician or a scientist trying to teach a college course, they lack people skills. Not a bad thing as long as they don't teach.

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Anonymous

2:42 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

What I want to know is where Romney's comments regarding education belong in a foreign policy debate. I understand that America's foreign policy is rooted in our domestic policy, but that was a shameless plug that was irrelevant and incorrect. The scholarship that Romney eluded to is based on standardized testing, and was implemented well before he was elected Governor. Also, no matter how you look at it, the education system in MA was number one in the nation since the mid 1990's. NOT once Romney took office. So, why does he continue to take credit for something that he had absolutely no role in? The fact of the matter is, he's losing ground, and this debate displayed this clearly. Romney spent the entire hour and a half trying to catch up, while interrupting both Obama and the moderator, and even flat out ignoring questions to talk about how wonderful of a governor he was. Nice try, Governor.

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deb of see-attleboro

3:31 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Paul: You completely missed my point. I was not suggesting he will be eligible for re-election in 2016. My point is that Obama's foreign agenda is awful "sketchy".

There is a theory that Obama perceives the United States as a whole IS the 1% and our wealth must be redistributed globally. And I do not think for one minute the American middle class will come out of this new world order unscathed.
What other explanation is there for Obama receiving the Nobel Peace for doing zero . And now the EU?
But maybe you are drawn to Obama because of this progressive, global redistributive agenda. That's ok. But I think it is a theory that should be considered by libertarian leaning independents, like myself, who want something different.

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Paul Lasiewski

5:18 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

deb, you are just the person we need to get the people behind having a third party included in these debates. Why aren't the independents supporting that? We need a newer Ralph Nader!

Stoughton12

3:30 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

I think I have it figured out. Romney supporters like him because there is always something different. Like when they watch their favorite tv shows, and the season ends, they all look forward to the beginning of the next season. With Romney, he reboots every what, 4 weeks? So there is always a new season coming along with newer vague facts that can't be contested because there are no facts behind them. So he can sit there and tell them that when he gets elected, there will be 100% more unicorns and he will create 12 million jobs. Very exciting stuff. Since his last reboot was around Oct 5th, he will be cutting it close to Election Day. So a night or two before don't be surprised if he promises a Daddy's Dairy on every corner(12 million jobs right there) and horseless carriage in every driveway.

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DAN DEVINE

4:21 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

ROMNEY appeared Presidental, OBAMA appeared angry & upset that he has to vacate the White House in January 2013.

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Paul Lasiewski

5:13 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Actually, Romney may have looked presidential but he also looked like he was about to have a stroke or heart attack.

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Fiscal Conservative

4:30 pm on Thursday, November 1, 2012

I think it's Michelle who may be more upset about leaving the WH. She will no longer get her luxury vacations 3, 4, 5 or more times a year, at the Tax Payers expense. I think I may be upset if this happened to me....before I was expecting it to end. She'll then put all the blame on her husband for making her one of the "commoners" again. Poor, poor girl.

Indiana

4:25 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

trot - way to represent your union

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Sinclair

5:04 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Cornelius Vanderbilt (the first) would be a patriarch not a matriarch. (A matriarch is a woman) He was also totally illiterate which proves that one can do business without reading. Vanderbilt and Rockefellar were robber barons. I won't go into anymore translating. However, I don't think they would be presidential material and that's an understatement.

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Steve C

5:17 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Thank you for the correction and I do know the difference it was a typo while firing off a response. He was not actually illiterate, that is a myth, although he did not write well.

I can appreciate your comment about the flip flopping on Romney's part and we all wish he would hold his course on some issues.

G. Dub

7:09 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

In my book, none of the two show any promise whatsoever, as far as defense policy is concerned.

Romney: A subscriber to the neoconservative world view.
Last night proved to me he has not distanced himself from the PNAC. In fact, he spoke as if he had highlighted talking points straight out of "Rebuilding America's Defenses..." A, 'fight and win two simultaneous wars'. B. Raise the level of defense spending.
Romney, to me, is after the same old policies that work together to create the goals outlined in "Rebuilding America's Defenses." I cannot vote for a candidate who alligns himself with the revolutionary movement that hijacked our country, re wired policy and politics to suit their needs at the cost of every American's safety, health and welfare. Securing future wars should never trump the strive for peace.

Obama: Simply put, as it was in 2008, as is now, Weak leadership, Weak appointments, go hand in hand with a weak left aisle. The reason Obama is pinned down to reverse bad policy is because the Dem party is weak. There are far too many members of congress who lay down before neocon charged legislation. 'Go along to get along gets you bowled over every time'.

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Paul Lauenstein

9:59 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Obama won the third debate. Romney agreed with just about everything Obama said. The free world needs a steady hand at the helm, not a flip-flopper.

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Sinclair

10:38 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Vanderbilt was illiterate by any standard. And writing standards including education were steeped in the classics during his time. He did occassionally attempt to write with words spelled phonetically and when doing so, would spell a word three different ways in the same paragraph. I saw some samples of his attempts to write and I can tell you his illiteracy was not a myth. It was kept a secret and I suspect a coverup.

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Tisiphone

12:01 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012

Darren Major also commented :
"Steve, I really ask you to be honest....Romney agreed with President Obama on 95% of the issues "

Why am I overwhelmed with the idea that I have been in another country for a couple of years? Hasn't the problem been "gridlock"? This, of course, was the result of Republican nastiness. Now we see some agreement on a few issues and that is Republican weakness. Can't have it both ways.

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Tisiphone

4:06 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012

Steve C: " He was wrong, in my opinion, with his stance on the bailout."

As I recall he desired a "structured" Chapter 11. This does not differ much from what happened. What did happen was that some bankruptcy rules were stood on their head to ensure that a greater than normal burden fell on the bondholders.

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David Dallaire

1:34 pm on Thursday, November 1, 2012

President OBlarney knew nothing about foreign affairs before taking office. After apologizing to just about every country that has harmed Americans, The VFW and American Legion should be up in arms over this bend me over president.

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Emcee of Seekonk

4:53 pm on Thursday, November 1, 2012

@Fiscal Conservative: "She'll then put all the blame on her husband for making her one of the "commoners" again."

The Obamas will never be commoners again. They are now millionaires who never really have to work unless they want to. Their children will attend the best private schools. Obama can be like Clinton and go on speaking tours or campaign for other Democrats, if that appeals to him. He will always be a hero to many and can do a lot of good in that respect.

The downside to it all is that they will never walk freely in a crowd again, nothing will ever be spur-of-the-moment. Secret service men will be assigned for the rest of their lives. Waters will no longer part for them. I hope they don't get bored.

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Daniel F. Devine

6:30 pm on Thursday, November 1, 2012

INCORRECT, Emcee of Seekonk ~ The OBAMAS' will receive Secret Service protection for 10 years after leaving office, not for the rest of their lives.

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Fiscal Conservative

8:38 pm on Thursday, November 1, 2012

All I meant was there won't be as many people cowtowing to her. She will be part of the elite, but, hopefully on her dime, not yours & mine.

Tisiphone

9:57 pm on Thursday, November 1, 2012

Fiscal Conservative : "All I meant was there won't be as many people cowtowing to her. She will be part of the elite, but, hopefully on her dime, not yours & mine."

You're right, ask any politican, it is tough to go back to that two family in Des Moines. Still, a la Clinton, they can sell a few pardons. It is tough for a lame duck president, without another term coming up, to get large "book advances". Wasn't it his pal Deval that got a $1.25 million "advance" on a book that sold 6,000 copies? What's that? $208 per book? How long are Americans going to buy pay offs/donations disguised as "book advances"?

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Emcee of Seekonk

7:30 am on Friday, November 2, 2012

@Dan Devine...You are correct about the Secret Service protection.

"In 1997, legislation became effective limiting Secret Service protection to former Presidents and their spouses for a period of 10 years from the date the former President leaves office, making Bill and Hillary Clinton the last to receive lifetime protection." --Wikipedia

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